And I’ll tell you something else they know. They think that, because the cops don’t like black people, I think that’s the first thing you’d get, and then in general you would get, “Well, with the way the United States treats black people, we can do whatever we goddamn want.” This 1619 business helps infect the country with that, because those men may get a certain sense of self-protection and certain sense of having their say by behaving this way, but it makes everybody else hate them, and you can’t help wondering what kind of job anybody like that is likely to hold down, beyond the level of stocking shelves. They think that, because the cops don’t like black people, I think that’s the first thing you’d get, and then in general you would get, “Well, with the way the United States treats black people, we can do whatever we goddamn want.” This, 420 Madison Avenue, 7th Floor, New York, NY 10017, Copyright © 2020 National Association of Scholars, By Allie Smith, Source: Unsplash, License Unsplash License. And so, I’m imagining a white person in a suit in Washington D.C. … That person, the sort of person you and I meet sometimes at a conference. (laughs) That’s what he does, and he says, “We didn’t believe that nigga! However, those people are correct that this 1619 business is tragically oversimplified, and they’re correct that if they say so in any kind of public form or even private one, often they’re going to be called racists. You have to have your arms spread, and everybody backs up, and he’s got this baleful expression on his face and he plops down into that seat, and then he just sits. The seats are too small anyway. [4] During the completion of his Ph.D. at MIT, he met his future wife, Linda. The -- these battles going on over these issues like immigration and the border where the leverage, it seems to me, on the progressive side, a lot of it comes from the ability to characterize oppositional limitation, and kind of ideas, and attitudes about immigration, to characterize them as racist, as, “You want this to be a country that’s safe for white people,” and whenever I hear that argument, I cringe a little bit as a black person, because I know that the moral force of that argument is dependent upon the actual experiences of African Americans. But I’m sure, psychological experiments could be done that would reveal a kind of truth that you see, and I’m beginning to use the New York subway for a lot of my examples, and some people say they’re just anecdotes, but I insist, “No, they are no more just anecdotes than the typical sort of thing that somebody on the left will say about a white person.” And nowadays it’s white people who are talking about white people this way. And there’s a map that I’m sure you’ve seen that shows where plantation slavery was most concentrated, and where today black people are the poorest. You see, if we could, more or less articulately, more or less intelligently critique it as black guys, then that means that the white guys, and a few girls, would not be racist for seeing the inadequacies of The 1619 Project. The DMZ Will Trump superfans sandbag the GOP in Georgia? The country came to understand itself in different terms. I don’t think people are confused about that around their kitchen tables. Play entire video Play this clip. LOURY: Okay, well, you said a lot of things. It’s says we are simply the products of an oppressive history, and any flaws you find in our social functioning are to be attributed to what? I did have a point with that rant. Now, why doesn’t he know that pecking order? So, stop breaking your arm patting yourself on the back, city on a hill. Dean Baquet, or whoever it is, is standing behind a podium and talking about how this lesson must be taught to America, we must think about this, and nobody says why. The ingenuity of the American mindset is what has made Ameri... As Englishmen had become Americans, liberty and equality shi... Robert Cherry and Phil Magness join Peter W. Wood to discuss... . Okay, I’m typing now, but, I mean, he’s not some kind of a Nazi who runs around trying to execute. He’s angry. What do you think about that? And so, I think that that way of looking at things is an attempt, I guess it’s an attempt at being a historian with vision. Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and John McWhorter (Columbia University, Lexicon Valley, The Atlantic) John McWhorter speaks his mind on Ibram X. Kendi after the Boston University professor called John’s ideas “racist.” Some claim that they are deeply intertwined. There’s what’s said in polite society, and we all know what is polite to say, and so we genuflect, and we obey. That meme has been passed on, even in schools where the whites have become much more enlightened, because memes have a way of sticking for various reasons I won’t get into. 00:00 A path to forgiveness for the canceled . They know that this is a great country that allows that to happen, that allows millions of people from other parts of the world to come and make their lives among us, and then to show their mettle through achievement. And then, also, how welfare started to be administered in the late 1960s, there’s a story that nobody tells, and finally, also the change in ideology in the ’60s. They know that they have a culture that values this kind of achievement. What about the people who moved out and conquered and settled the lands west of the Appalachian Mountains and then west of the Mississippi River and then et cetera, et cetera? You know, he’s got that chip on his shoulder, but he’s not going to get anywhere in life. Anybody who conducts himself that way probably wouldn’t last delivering for FreshDirect. I mean, yes, it’s true, the United States... It’s important, from a historical perspective, to realize that this was part of a much larger story, that these were colonies, it wasn’t just one, these were colonies, and these transatlantic colonies that a few European countries seeded all over the world were almost all founded in slavery of an utterly unforgiveable and brutal nature. In every war since the Civil War, African Americans have fought on behalf of the union, on behalf of the flag, on behalf of the country. This guy shoves his way over, gently, and takes the seat. That’s what you’d say in polite society. That’s different. And whose agency are we talking about, especially given that many of those people voted for Obama anyway? [6] Viewed from the position of the African American, of the enslaved person, of the freedman, of the disenfranchised in the Jim Crow South of the hopeful, hopeful, ever-hopeful civil rights movement, that the promise already owed of American freedom would finally be honored in the case of African Americans,” all this kind of stuff. Kids getting killed in St. Louis, that’s the reason, in the last few weeks, a lot of kids under 12 years old have gotten shot to death on the streets of St. Louis. It smacks of somebody who we will leave nameless in this conversation, but you know who I’m talking about, and this whole schtick, this whole apologia. But the question is, why? Sorry. And no account is given, you mentioned the structure of the American welfare state, and the incentives that that create, you might also want to talk about the drifts in African American culture and how it’s influenced patterns of behavior that are disadvantageous. Glenn Cartman Loury (born September 3, 1948) is an American economist, academic, and author. I wish I had grown up able to go to one of those all-black shopping districts, all-black banks and theaters, et cetera, but to say that it was racism that did those districts in, as if something white people did or white hatred is what took care of the Shaw District in Washington D.C. or old black Los Angeles or old black San Francisco, it’s simply bad history! This guy shoves his way over, gently, and takes the seat. “The whole country is built on our backs.” There are a lot of, “But for that you wouldn’t have had this.” There are a lot of things like this. Read Orlando Patterson’s book Slavery and Social Death, where he goes through history all the way back to antiquity. ... Shelby: Post-'60s liberalism is the culprit ... What changed in black communities between 1950 and 1980? Anybody who is incapable of understanding how important, and what a great man Abraham Lincoln was because, by our standards, he was a racist, he thought black people should go back to Africa. You have to have your arms spread, and everybody backs up, and he’s got this baleful expression on his face and he plops down into that seat, and then he just sits. They’ve been taught that thinking of black people as talented monkeys is a form of higher wisdom, but I think that view is more on the ropes now than it was even 10 years ago. LOURY: Well, I want the audience to know that, you remember that little joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto, when they’re surrounded by Indians and they’re about to go down to bow and arrow, and the Lone Ranger says to Tonto, “What are we going to do now?” And Tonto turns to the Lone Ranger and says, “What do you mean, ‘we’, white man?” (laughter) So I’m turning to you as if to say, “What do you mean, ‘we’?” You’re the one that’s disagreeing about the project, I have yet to utter a word of evaluation about it. But, more to the point, here’s how he sits, and, folks, if you can’t hear it, I’m sorry. Glenn Loury hosts The Glenn Show on Bloggingheads.tv, ... he’s been having some extraordinarily candid and clarifying conversations about race and racism with the linguist John McWhorter, from Columbia, and I highly recommend you check out that podcast. Now, there are all sorts of people like that around; a woman, a Chinese woman, clearly doesn’t speak English, who’s standing there with all her bags. What about the settlement of the West? …, , clearly doesn’t speak English, who’s standing there with all her bags. After a subsequent period of seclusion and self-reflection, Loury reemerged as a born-again Christian and described himself as a "black progressive. In the closer spaces, I think they actually know there’s a problem there, in that community. The attitudes that those black kids encountered turned a generation of black kids against school, thinking of it as something white. What is different is mass abolition, the decision of the British Navy to extirpate the transatlantic slave trade, and the decision, ultimately, of the American Republic, to rid itself of the peculiar institution of slavery. What about that? What about all the black men, all of these generations who have had to suffer at the hands of -- who have dangled from trees, because of lynch mobs, who had their skin stripped from them being dragged behind a pickup truck, et cetera? The idea that -- this is something that I get from a lot of very smart people, Obama was president for two terms, and now white America wants to get back at that by having Trump. the smart media types, only three-eighths liked it. Loury questioned the purpose of Paxson's letter, saying it either "affirmed platitudes to which we can all subscribe, or, more menacingly, it asserted controversial and arguable positions as though they were axiomatic certainties."[11]. The social history of African Americans since the civil rights movement. Now, in the wake of that, the disparities persist. A couple of things. (Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Eli Steele, and Shelby Steele) Glenn announces a new version of The Glenn Show ... 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